Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt

by grlpatriot, Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:39:43 PM EST

Wow, what a ride! We took our girl all the way to the finish line and crossed it with all the grit, guts, and glory of champions. I'm sure we are all still decompressing and determining our next steps. Whether you are fading into the Obama-nation or moving forward with Just Say No Deal, PUMA, Write Hillary In, Democrats for McCain, or joining one of the various NObama groups, we still have one piece of unfinished business to attend to - retiring Hillary's campaign debt.

Hillary stayed in the race because of us and for us. We gave her the financial support she needed to keep going and to finish the journey we all started together. So, her debt is our debt and we need to take care of it. I contacted her campaign finance office to verify how/where we can send contributions to help retire the campaign debt. Here are the options:

1. Donate to Hillary online at the Hillary Clinton For President campaign website. There are also other bloggers fund raising to retire campaign debt. If you want to join their fund raising efforts, check out the Forum, Heidi Li's Potpourri, or Lady Boomer NYC.

2. Mail checks to HRC's presidential campaign finance office in New York:

Hillary Clinton For President
420 Lexington Avenue, Suite 3030
New York, New York 10170

3. Purchase merchandise from the Hillary Store. There are still some selections of shirts, stickers, hats, signs, buttons, lapel pins, and accessories.

I bought a few more shirts and bumper stickers and contributed online.

Contribution Details
Date:     June 18, 2008 2:42 PM EDT
Amount: $100.00

We've done it before, let's do it again. Cough up what you can and show Hillary some love. Skip another latte, brow wax, or manicure, skip a few beers or martinis, just walk by that pair of shoes. Stay in for date night, rent a movie, or hold your honey under the stars. Give it up for Hillary just one more time.

Help spread the word far and wide!




Tags: 2008, Election, Presidential Primary, DNC, Democratic Party, Democrats, Hillary Clinton, Fund Raising, Retire Campaign Debt (all tags)

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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 4)

thanks for this reminder. We are all dems here--I think. so ponying up shouldn't be too hard.


by linfar on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:42:41 PM EST

Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 4)

How about donating money to winning elections?

How about supporting the value of not borrowing more than you can spend.

For a nation riddled with debt, especially credit card debt this sends a bad signal.

Soon enough every campaign will spend beyond it's means and then just try and have "Unity Drives"

Its pathetic.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:45:11 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 2)

Chill Out.  This happens every cycle to the losing contenders from both parties.  People are just paying attention this time because the race was close and it is more money than normal.


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:49:22 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (none / 0)

Typically, the loser isn't worth over $130 million.

Let's face it - the Clinton's didn't include the 2007 return which includes the burkle payout. they can afford a small hit. they have nearly unlimited earning potential.


by Lance Bryce on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 03:20:13 AM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 1)

You are just a party pooper .

Aren't you ?

I wonder what prompted you to go on that diatribe.

It just doesn't seem really worthwhile in my view.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:50:52 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 4)

Of course it does,  HRC WILLINGLY went into debt just like a college kid with his first credit card or a stock trader turning his job into a trip to Vegas.

TWENTY MILLION DOLLARS

How/Why should we reward such callous irresponsibility?

What is the exuse, the huge debt was going on the WHOLE campaign.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:54:26 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 1)

" What is the exuse "

-- err she was running a presidential campaign and ran out of money.

However my point is  , there is a saying , if you don't have anything good to say , sometimes its better not to say anything.....

This would be one of those times in my view.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:57:46 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (none / 0)

Look I have all the support for Hillary I can give, but I am not willing to throw away financial capital to reward GROSS overspending.

You know, and I know that the campaign knew full well what they were doing and GAMBLED on the remote possibility they would win or they would get more contributions.

During the whole campain I thought they were using bank loans and credit cards so I paid little mind assuming they would just default and screw the banks.

Well since then I have learned that none of this money is borrowed from any bank or creditor, therefore if she doesn't pay, the debtor is screwed.

So if you are going to donate remember you are helping the debtor, not the one in debt.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:08:51 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 1)

Was that a unity pony I just saw run off my computer screen?


by Pacific John on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:46:07 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 1)

Huh,  no the pony is name 'Financial Responsiblity'


by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:01:54 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (none / 0)

I gotta say, I don't like the baiting, but I can't argue with that logic. You've got your reasons and they aren't simply that Hillary sucks.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:00:31 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (none / 0)

I never said she sucked, I never put 100%of the blame on her.

Im SURE Penn egged her on, and the zany mccaulife didnt help either.

Look Im not one to talk, the best I can say about myself is that I am not in debt, but my expectations are much higher, I would like to own  home one day, then another day be able to afford marriage and kids .

Its unfortunate you think I am baiting, I am not.  I just don't see the big deal.

Hillary can afford to pay off her debtors.

If she came out and said her adivisors won't be paid, nor her debt that this was just for the private businesses that hosted her campains needs, I would be open to that.

I wouldn't donate as I can list 100 places that need money to go forward.

We are all getting bent out of shape for something Hillary never asked for either.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:07:53 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 1)

It's time we stopped irresponsible spending. I dont want to encourage more Mark Penns in future campaigning.The guy's company is getting paid millions for incompetence.
Someone has to break the cycle. The Clintons have 100M in assets. Another 10M from their immense wealth to retire the debt wont hurt their ability to live in luxury. I feel the same about even my favorite big time politicians. Thisis not just an anti Hillary issue.
by Pravin on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:11:55 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 1)

leave it alone - this particular person amongst a few 'new' people here have only 1 agenda.  bash HRC.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:29:40 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 2)

"he" is just another of the McLamebots keeping the hate alive. Todd will love him so much!


by zerosumgame on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:50:35 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 1)

yay for you, Todd will really smile on you now! he luvs him some trolls spreading the hate!


by zerosumgame on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:49:34 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (none / 0)

Hillary will get nothing and like it.


by stevens7139 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 11:14:04 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 8)

I agree that we should all donate to HRC debt relief, but you must realize linking to pro-John McCain sites is repugnant to the vast majority of democrats here.


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:48:12 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (1.00 / 8)

That's the spirit. ;)


by grlpatriot on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:48:43 PM EST
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C O L !!! (none / 0)

Rec this one up, gang!

Donate now!


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:50:43 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 2)

HR'd for supporting John McCain and Larry Johnson.

One is a worthy adversary, the other a pathetic wannabe that has been rejected by society.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:51:37 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 1)

Wow... a HideRating for "thats the spirit"...


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:59:06 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 5)

No,  HR for propagating groups that are trying to destroy our party.

Is that clear?


by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:00:34 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 1)

Yes, it is quite clear.

You disagree with some individuals, and wish to censor any references to them.

I never had any doubts, actually !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:03:11 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 1)

Thats not an appropriate use of the privilege .


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:05:09 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 4)

Sure it is, NoQuarter is an enemy not only to Democrats but to American politics in general.

Also campaining for McCain is a bannable offense and I have no problem HRing people just based on that.

Proof:  Yesterday a new user with the name "Clintonista4McCain" joined up and posted the usual crap.
So enough people HR'd every comment and Admin removed him from the system, not banned but removed, which means all posts are gone.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:12:08 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (none / 0)

Per the guidelines:

Do not troll rate (rating as 1) another user's comment unless it is a comment that is an attack on another user. Do not hide (rating as 0) a comment unless it is an abuse of the guidelines. Abusing this privilege will result in all your ratings being erased and/or getting a warning, or being banned.

Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.

In other words--Republican trolls who excessively bash the Democratic party, such as the diarist, are violating the guidelines, and a hide-rating is the proper response to any comment that violates the guidelines.


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 01:11:18 AM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 3)

I wonder if Alegre will come back to MyDD?

I wonder if Alegre is brave enough to come back to MyDD?

I wonder if Alegre is posting on MyDD under another user name?

I wonder if Butterflies can really cause hurricanes?

I wonder about a lot of stuff.


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:59:52 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 1)

I wonder if this is the real alegre?


by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:02:43 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 1)

I wonder if grlpatriot will behave just like Alegre did, when it came to defending these type of diaries?


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:12:14 PM EST
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This person on screen is an idiot. (2.00 / 3)

Please, name for me five things that Hillary has in common with McCain, but NOT with Obama.


by Lieber on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:21:18 PM EST
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Well.... (2.00 / 2)

1.) They're both white
2.) They both were both adults during the Vietnam War
3.) They're both not black.
4.) They both remember the 50's.
5.) They're both not Barack Obama.


Hillary is voting for Obama, so why aren't you?
by BrighidG on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:35:15 PM EST
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I'll play (none / 0)

The most important place that Obama and Hillary agree is that both feel you should vote for Obama for president.  However, it's not that hard to come up with 5 points where Clinton is closer to McCain than Obama, or where Obama is closer to McCain than Clinton:

Where Clinton matches with McCain rather than Obama:

1. They both voted against Cheney's energy bill.

  1. They both voted for AUMF.
  2. They both have said McCain is more ready at 3 am than Obama.

Places Obama matches with McCain rather than Hillary:

  1.  Obama and McCain both voted against putting a cap on credit card interest.
  2.  Both Obama and McCain think Social Security 'needs fixing'.

That's 5.  For 4 out of 5, I wish they were not true of either Hillary or Obama that they agreed with McCain.  The exception is that McCain was right on Cheney's energy bill.


"There are two kinds of statistics: the kind you look up and the kind you make up" --Rex Stout
by LIsoundview on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 05:19:22 AM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 2)

Whoever that person is in the video, they're not very bright.  They just sound ticked off that they lost.


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:24:27 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (none / 0)

That woman has some issues.  Not even if CLiunton was VP?


by NewOaklandDem on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:40:43 PM EST
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Cristi Adkins- One dumb twit (none / 0)

Wow, where the hell did this moron come from? Cristi Atkins or Adkins, whatever her name is. Dumbest Clinton supporter on TV award goes to her. Funny englightening clip.


by Pravin on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:19:48 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (1.87 / 8)

Whether you are fading into the Obama-nation or moving forward with Just Say No Deal, PUMA, Write Hillary In, Democrats for McCain, or joining one of the various NObama groups, we still have one piece of unfinished business to attend to - retiring Hillary's campaign debt.

Fading into the Obama-nation? (my how clever!)

Moving forward in electing JohnMcCain?

I'd rec this very worthy diary if it did not include these lame swipes at our nominee.


Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!
by spacemanspiff on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:42:57 PM EST

If your diaries didn't include (2.00 / 11)

FOUR SEPARATE SITES DEVOTED TO UNDERMINING THE NOMINEE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, I'd happily have recommended it.

As it is, it's just another attempt from a dead-ender to skim away Democrats from the goal of defeating McCain in November.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:44:28 PM EST

Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 14)

I like the notion of raising money for Hillary so she can  be debt free.

I find it offensive that you also link to sites that are actively campaigning for REPUBLICAN John McCain.  You are posting on a site that is founded on the idea of helping elect Democrats.  

Please remove the links to pro-John McCain sites, then people may take you seriously.  Your current approach will net Hillary no money.


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:46:12 PM EST

Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 6)

It's pretty clear which option the diarist prefers.

"Fading into" what's derisively termed "Obama-nation", AKA, the Democratic party behind the Democratic nominee for POTUS.

vs.

"moving forward" (oh, the irony) into Actively Campaigning Against the Democratic Nominee, via a host of links devoted to undermining Obama and propping up McCain.

Note how the diarist took the time, not only to mention, but to embed links within not one, not two, not three, but FOUR separate anti-Obama sites?

This is a classic example of a dead-ender masquerading as a member of the Democratic party. This is a "supporter".


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:49:19 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 4)

No money for Mark Penn.


Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:47:23 PM EST

Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (none / 0)

Yeah, I thought about that when I donated. But, there was so much more to the campaign that was worthy, right, and on track that I was able to move passed Penn.


by grlpatriot on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:47:35 PM EST
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Alegre returns! (2.00 / 6)

Ok, GRLPatriot has to be Alegre!

Noone else can push the nails on chalkboard insanity like she could.

She works with NoQuarter now, so it's alright to call her out.

Funny how they do this when you know it will go nowhere.

I like how the people at Noquarter think they are Political Terrorists just because a guy with really bad hair got fired from the CIA.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:49:41 PM EST

Re: Alegre returns! (1.66 / 3)

LOL! Flowbee and his Moe haircut. I'm gussing SusanHu is Curly.


Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!
by spacemanspiff on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:51:27 PM EST
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Re: Alegre returns! (none / 0)

Three stooges perfect,  I am just thinking of when those two idiot PUMA reps got evicerated on Neil Cavuto.

Imagine Larry in the middle punching them and doing the 3stooges antics as they stumbled and fumbled and got schooled by NEIL CAVUTO, hehe.

Ah for context I got to put it up, 30 second mark is where the hillarity starts:


by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:57:21 PM EST
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Re: Alegre returns! (none / 0)

18 million... 50...

ROFL!


by mukloidy on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 01:34:16 PM EST
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Re: Alegre returns! (1.00 / 2)

I'll take that as a compliment.


by grlpatriot on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:57:53 PM EST
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Re: Alegre returns! (none / 0)

RON HOWARD: It wasn't.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:03:25 PM EST
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Great idea - she did it for us (1.00 / 0)

Thank you for calling her finance office grrlp. I'll make a donation right now.


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:50:18 PM EST

Re: Great idea - she did it for us (none / 0)

No problem. Some folks weren't sure quite how to help retire the debt. A few phone calls was all it took to verify. Thanks for helping out.


by grlpatriot on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:55:22 PM EST
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Re: Great idea - she did it for us (none / 0)

Alegre, so does this bundling to relieve the debt also apply to your "Hillraisers" bundling goal of 100,000$

I heard you got in the Hillraisers without raising that much.

Thanks to you I learned all the ins and outs of bundling and I am hoping I can be good at too so I can hang out on those cool conference calls.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:59:05 PM EST
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Re: Great idea - she did it for us (none / 0)

Thanks for the compliment, but I'm not Alegre.


by grlpatriot on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:08:57 PM EST
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Re: Great idea - she did it for us (2.00 / 2)

Yea, now that I see you commenting in your own diary I know you aren't her.

Alegre was never able to handle it,  only a cowardly troll writes diaries and then completely ignores all questions.

But understand as a representative of NoQuarter you will be accused of alot of things.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:13:55 PM EST
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Re: Great idea - she did it for us (none / 0)

Well, I'm sure glad you got the proof you needed. I thought I was going to have to get my ID out or something. You guys are unreal!


by grlpatriot on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:42:07 PM EST
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Re: Great idea - she did it for us (none / 0)

No no...

You're the one who's unreal...


by mukloidy on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 01:39:06 PM EST
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You should check out Alegre's dungeon... (none / 0)

Because if you were you'd be here:  http://alegrescorner.soapblox.net/  But maybe Alegre got tired of her own cozy little echo chamber.  Notice how the refugee keeps moving further and further into obscure internet fringe.

If you aren't her, maybe you should check it out because your propaganda would have better reception there, I assure you.


by Tenafly Viper on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:52:32 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (none / 0)

Various Nobama groups, or the same group of a couple hundred people opening up various websites, whatever way you slice it. Hopefully Obama helps her out a bit as well, regardless of what you people say about experience, only one of them ended up bankrupt.


by Dog Chains on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:50:30 PM EST

Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (none / 0)

campaignwise I meant to say, sorry.


by Dog Chains on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:53:13 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (none / 0)

You mean the DNC.


by grlpatriot on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:25:19 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (1.00 / 2)

You sound like a "real" Democrat.

Thank you for highlighting the political freedom we have to make individual choices in how each of us decides to move forward.

It is like a breath of fresh air.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:53:30 PM EST

Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 7)

Yes, a "Real Democrat" seeks to elect a Republican as president.

Ha ha. Good one.


by JoeW on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:39:45 PM EST
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You should listen to your sig (2.00 / 1)

Why would any self-respecting woman work to elect a Republican, especially one like John McCain?


Hillary is voting for Obama, so why aren't you?
by BrighidG on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:27:23 PM EST
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Re: You should listen to your sig (2.00 / 2)

You should READ my signature. In no way does it advocate, imply, or insinuate that I am working to elect a Republican.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 08:23:16 PM EST
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Re: You should listen to your sig (none / 0)

Without context, your sig might be innocent.

But with the context that you rah-rahed a Republican troll, and given your posting history on this site, it's fairly obvious which party your Susan B. Anthony quote is referencing.

But in the end, it doesn't matter.  I can't change your mind, so I won't bother arguing with you.  Maybe you'll come around in the end, maybe you won't, in either case Barack Obama is still winning.


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 01:30:51 AM EST
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Re: You should listen to your sig (none / 0)

If you want context you would have to read what I've written. Something that you have obviously failed to do.

The truth is this party needs to live up to the truths of its advertising. For some of us it doesn't look much different from the Republicans when it comes to feminist issues.

This person was calling on ALL Democrats to support Mrs. Clinton. The most twisted thing about your reasoning is the fact those sites you object to are more likely to contribute to helping her than at this site even though Hillary Clinton has a record of loyalty to the Democratic Party.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 01:41:10 PM EST
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Re: You should listen to your sig (none / 0)

And you should read what I wrote in this very thread.  I donated $50 to help Senator Clinton retire her debt, so spare me the sanctimony.

The issue with this diary is not that she's asking people to donate to Senator Clinton.  The issue with this diary is that she's advertising sites dedicated to electing John McCain as President of the United States.

This is absolutely counter to what Senator Clinton herself has asked her supporters to do.

In any case, your signature is an attempt to convince people who read it not to support the Democratic party.  Are you denying that?


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 02:14:00 PM EST
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Re: You should listen to your sig (2.00 / 1)


Your issue obviously is not my issue. I am not concerned as to why you object.

My signature means exactly what it says. Feel free to take it literally.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 04:46:15 PM EST
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And by the way... (none / 0)

...It's Senator Clinton.


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 02:15:26 PM EST
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Re: And by the way... (none / 0)

Actually it's Senator or Mrs.

A real democrat would know either is correct.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 04:44:37 PM EST
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Actually, it's not (none / 0)

It's The Honorable Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton from New York, or Senator Clinton, or Mrs. Senator (if speaking directly to her), or just Clinton if informally referring to her in context.

As most style guides will tell you.

"Senator" is the title Senator Clinton earned for herself.  You wouldn't say "Mr. Obama" or "Mr. Dodd" or "Mr. Feingold," and "Mrs." is doubly disrespectful because it marks her simply as Bill Clinton's wife.


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 05:13:37 PM EST
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Re: Actually, it's not (none / 0)

You appear to be from the Wikipedia generation of U.S. politics, basically making it up as you go along. I've been around long enough to know either is respectful and correct.

I'm going to stick with what I know. The U.S. Senate itself during EVERY roll call vote refers to each member as Mr., Ms. or Mrs. so they must be disrespecting each other on a regular basis.

Since you have never watched a vote, I'm sure you can find one on YouTube since you don't appear to have spent much time watching C-SPAN.

That's all.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 07:52:56 PM EST
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Feel free to use those terms... (none / 0)

...as soon as you're elected Secretary of the Senate and are announcing the results of a roll call vote.  Until then, "Mrs. Clinton" is still disrespectful both to Senator Clinton and to the position of United States Senator.

Different forms of address for different people using them.  I called my systems professor "Karsten" because I was a graduate student; undergraduates and outsiders would still be expected to refer to him as "Dr. Schwan."

Perhaps I should have clarified: It's "Senator Clinton" to you.


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:27:18 PM EST
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Re: Actually, it's not (none / 0)

Also, I take being from the "Wikipedia generation of U.S. politics" as a compliment, so thank you.

I did, after all, follow Wikipedia guidelines and cite my sources.  You, on the other hand, did not.  Oh, you cited C-SPAN, certainly, but it's irrelevant to the proper respectful terms of address used by the public at large, unlike every source I cited.


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:32:00 PM EST
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Re: And by the way... (none / 0)

lol did you just accuse BishopRook of not being a Democrat because he uses correct Grammar?

hehe!

Funny.  No, Rook is Right.  If you think he's wrong, cite otherwise.


by mrrara on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 05:42:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: And by the way... (2.00 / 1)

I cite the U.S. Senate. How's that?

Wow....I didn't know commenters had there only little following of cheerleaders.

That's all.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 07:55:24 PM EST
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Re: And by the way... (none / 0)

Why are you being stubborn about this issue?

You were wrong, it's okay to admit being wrong... :-\


by mrrara on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:46:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 8)

"Whether you are fading into the Obama-nation or moving forward with Just Say No Deal, PUMA, Write Hillary In, Democrats for McCain, or joining one of the various NObama groups..."

I think that we really do need to help Hillary with her campaign debt.  It's the right thing to do, to help move past the primary wars.

I was really close to doing it too, until I actually read your diary.

Sorry, but I can't rec this diary.  I'll wait for the true, "Help Hillary retire her campaign debt because we're all Democrats" diary.

Your diary is still "all about her," and not "what is good for Democrats."


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:53:59 PM EST

Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (1.00 / 7)

Yes, it is all about Hillary. If you are offended by Democrats working together to retire the campaign debt of a Democrat, then you are on the wrong site.


by grlpatriot on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:13:30 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 7)

...and if you are not-so-subtly advocating the election of McCain because your specific candidate didn't get the Democratic nomination, then you are on the wrong site.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:22:09 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (1.00 / 5)

And if you have a problem with people expressing dissent, then you are in the wrong country.


by grlpatriot on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:24:30 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 10)

The irony here is that you just told someone that they "were on the wrong site" because they said something you disagreed with.  I fire the same thing back at you and apparently I'm in the wrong country.

Hopefully, you'll look back at yourself a few years from now and realize how ridiculous you sound.  You're on a Democratic website encouraging people to vote for the Republican nominee, but it's the other people that are lost.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:29:17 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (1.00 / 2)

No, I'm encouraging Democrats (where ever they may be) to help retire a Democrats campaign debt. I hope you can see how narrow minded you are being.


by grlpatriot on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:39:46 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 5)

You just happened to include no less than 4 links to sites that are devoted to electing John McCain for President, but this diary is all about helping to retire a Democrats campaign debt.  Uh huh.

Yup.. it's the "other" people that are misguided and on the wrong site.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:46:38 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (none / 0)

Gosh, you just don't pay attention, do you?  Try reading the post that you just responded to again.

Now, let go over what I said.  I'm waiting for a diary that advocates retiring Hillary's debt, by making the case that it is good for Democrats.

You're response to me shows that you are not actually reading what I'm saying, you're just responding.

There's no dialogue going on here, you're just spouting off.

No surprise there.


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 07:08:18 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 2)

Alegre!  We've missed you.  Kewl new name...


by rf7777 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:55:44 PM EST

Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (1.50 / 2)

Thanks for the compliment, but me thinks you have mistaken identity.


by grlpatriot on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:11:41 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 7)

The fact that you take being called Alegre as a compliment proves you are a troll.  You should find find another place for your anti-Democrat BS.


by rf7777 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:29:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (1.25 / 4)

Having a bad day?


by grlpatriot on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:37:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (1.00 / 1)

Tenafly Viper is also having a bad day.


by grlpatriot on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:04:21 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (none / 0)

Ahhh!  This must be Alegre!  

She responds to her own posts also!


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 07:11:08 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 4)

Not as bad as yours...Campaigning for McGaffe must be hell..


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:34:16 PM EST
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Recced... (2.00 / 1)

but I cant help.  I maxed out in April !


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:55:55 PM EST

Re: Recced... (2.00 / 1)

You can always donate to the Clinton Library.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:59:40 PM EST
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Re: Recced... (none / 0)

Major mojo for you! Thanks for being so generous (and for the rec). Help spread the word.


by grlpatriot on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:00:14 PM EST
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i'm sorry, but no (2.00 / 5)

if you'd like to donate, go for it.  but i'm not because she can well afford to pay her own debt.


Visit us at TexasKAOS, where we're taking Texas back!
by annatopia on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:57:34 PM EST

I donated already (2.00 / 8)

After Senator Clinton's very magnanimous and moving speech where she suspended her campaign and endorsed Senator Obama.

You are no longer a Democrat, and by pushing these pro-McCain sites, you are proving that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Get off.


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:11:08 PM EST

Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 1)

I love the sentiment involved in this campaign to help Hillary retire her debt, I really do.  Good on all of you who supported her historic run and continue to do so if only to show her how much you appreciated her efforts on your behalf.

If Obama had not won and had accrued a similar debt, I would have done the same thing for the same reasons.  

Again, good on ya!

Oh, and please do consider joining us as we take back the White House in November.  There's going to be plenty of great things ahead for Hillary as a part of the Obama administration, regarless of where and what she does.  It's going to be a beautiful thing!


by PittsburghPete on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:28:13 PM EST

Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (none / 0)

You talk like going into Debt is totally normal.

20 million dollars.

Really?

So I guess they accidentally lost 20 million?

How can I help a person in debt who intentionally went there.

By running this crap you guys make HRC look worse.

She has the money to pay off her own debts.

Political Welfare, call it what it is.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:36:35 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 4)

"grlpatriot" should easily be eligible for the John McCain "my boat is burning" lapel pin by now.

You know, Alegre, I was going to donate to Hillary again (I've donated to her before, since she's my Senator), but because of your repulsive diary, I think I'll hold off and donate to another worthy Democrat isntead.

Are you proud of the damage you're doing to your candidate?


by JoeW on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:36:04 PM EST

Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (1.00 / 1)

I think you are having an identity crisis. If you take a good like at my history here and at dkos you'll see that I'm not Alegre. But if I run into her online, I'll let her know that you said "hi".


by grlpatriot on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:57:16 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (none / 0)

You sound so ridiculously childish.

Listen to yourself.

Why does everyone feel the need to fuel this immature behavior?

Move on people, nothing to see here. There are more important issues at hand like Iraq, the Economy and Healthcare.

Why waste your time with this garbage?


by mukloidy on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 01:50:34 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 1)

Perhaps Hillary should have picked a hobby that was less costly.  If she couldn't afford to continue, she should have quit.

Either way I don't really see why anyone should give up anything to put money in the pockets of the Clintons.  I'm not trying to be an asshole, but I think the country has done a lot for the Clintons. Bill wouldn't be making six figures for a single speech if he wasn't the former President so I don't see the problem with asking them to retire their own debt.


by Tenafly Viper on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:39:14 PM EST

All political campains need to call !!! (none / 0)

Or when they lose they may end up "selling seafood to tourists in tshirts"

that is my fav line!

Who would of guessed these commercials are 7 months old, I love em everytime I see them.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:03:18 PM EST

Re: All political campains need to call !!! (none / 0)

damnit, campaings here is the info you need:


by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:03:38 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 2)

Congratulations. Because of your arrogance and insistence on being an absolute jackass to anyone who disagrees with you, including the Clinton supporters who decided to remain Democrats, you have ensured that several Obama supporters are far less likely to raise money for your cause.

Kudos. Idiot.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:06:17 PM EST

Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (none / 0)

Yikes, I read the other diary first.  That $20 is going back in the wallet.  Nice.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:08:49 PM EST

Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (2.00 / 4)

Take out those crap links to Anti-Democratic sites and you may have a case.  Otherwise, you're hurting Clinton's casuse here.  


by NewOaklandDem on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:28:23 PM EST

Link Police (1.00 / 3)

When I start coming into your diaries and telling you were you can and cannot link to, then you can start coming into mine and telling me. So, thanks for stopping by.  


by grlpatriot on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 07:18:58 PM EST
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Re: Link Police (none / 0)

But you are not allowed.

Go ahead and ask the admin if you can support Pro-McCain sites here.

Is not allowed,  if you want mccain to win they why hang here?


by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 07:23:26 PM EST
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Re: Link Police (1.00 / 1)

Please read the title of the diary again. It will answer your question.


by grlpatriot on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 07:31:30 PM EST
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Re: Link Police (none / 0)

Since you're supporting John McCain, why are you asking Democrats for money?

You should be posting this at Republican websites. They'll be glad to kiss your rings and maybe even throw some money at you, if they think it'll help them.

It won't, but don't let that stop you.


Know Your Rights!
by BobzCat on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:26:14 PM EST
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Re: Link Police (1.00 / 2)

I support Hillary. Oh, that's right, I forget this diary isn't about Obama and he is the only Democrat in the world now. What will I do for oxygen?


by grlpatriot on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 11:13:53 PM EST
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Re: Link Police (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton has suspended her campaign and is supporting Barack Obama for President. She has expressly asked those who voted and worked for her to now throw their support behind the presumptive Democratic nominee.

The sites you link to and the groups you endorse are opposed to Hillary Clinton, are operating in direct opposition to her stated values and purpose, and in some cases explicitly support John McCain.

You are not a very clever troll. And your routine is so old by now, you're not even amusing any more. But brava for having wasted five minutes of my time. You succeeded that much.


Know Your Rights!
by BobzCat on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 11:34:09 PM EST
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Re: Link Police (2.00 / 1)

"I support Hillary. "

No you're not. You're supporting McCain.

The only reason you even posted this diary is that you know that any dollar that goes for Hillary's debts is a dollar that isn't going to be used against McCain.

If you're truly a Democrat urge for Obama donations right now, and urge for Hillary donations only after the GE in November.


by Aris Katsaris on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:45:13 AM EST
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Re: Link Police (2.00 / 1)

Eh, you're too far gone anyway, and I tire of feeding trolls looking for McCain points.  Just don't expect to get very far with your anit-Democratic links here.


by NewOaklandDem on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 07:32:31 PM EST
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Re: Help Hillary Retire Campaign Debt (none / 0)

Flood relief.


by xdem on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 07:26:37 PM EST